Talk:Derian identity

The term the Two Derics refers to two identically named but separate (though related) debates ocurring in the Kingdom of Dericania in the 19th century. The disputes, largely fought between intellectuals and scholars of the Bergendii people and Derian people, surrounded questions of Derian and Deric identity and the relationship between the two groups of people. The two debates are separated by the First Fratricide.The question of the Two Derics was the central debate of The Fraternal Wars.

Contents Nomenclature Background Cultural debate Legal debate Nomenclature The term "the Two Derics" originates from the theme of the first, cultural debate; whether or not there are two (or more) Deric peoples or whether or not there is a singular, Derian people, of whom there are regional differences. The term was also applied to the related "second debate", the legal debate, as it considered whether or not there ought to be one or two Deric states. These distinctions can best be understood by the identities of the time, as both Bergendii people and Derian people believed themselves to be "Deric" under a vague understanding of the term.

Background Beginning with the Levantine Social War, large groups of Latinic people began to migrate en masse east and southeast from the core regions of Great Levantia, establishing large Latinic presences on the southeastern coast of Levantia. These Latinic peoples - referred to as "Social Outcasts" - provided the nucleus for Latinic-style cultural systems in the area today known as Burgundie, interacting with local Gaelic and Istroyan peoples among others to establish the seeds of new cultural groups in the region. In the region now known as the Deric States, many outcasts remained within the modern inland Deric States and were later joined by refugees fleeing east during the demographic turmoil of the last days of Great Levantia, establishing a heavy Latinic presence in the area and sending many Gaels southeast or west. During much of the medieval and early modern periods, these separate groups - coastal outcast descendants and inland Latinics - viewed each other largely as kin. Now bound together in the Kingdom of Dericania, Gassavelians also entered the cultural picture of Dericania in the 16th century, integrating with the coastal peoples to varying extents. The status quo continued until the First and Second Caroline Wars, which lead to a national renewal and emergence of national identity within the Kingdom of Dericania during the first half of the 19th century. This awakening, however, lead to disputes as to what it meant to be a "Deric person" and lead to the emergence of several competing identities in addition to many proposed ideas of the relationships between these identities.

Cultural debate Legal debate Following the end of the First Fratricide, the state of Burgundie - still in its infancy - believed that its position within the Kingdom of Dericania was untenable and required immediate separation from hostile neighboring Derian states. Consequently, it sought relief from the Holy Levantine Empire. Beginning in 1855, the position of Burgundie demanded that the Emperor of the Levantines revive and assume the title of King of Gassavelia, with Burgundie wholly encompassing the new Kingdom within the Empire. This proposition - known as the "Second Kingdom Argument" - was opposed by legal scholars and members of the Imperial Diet but also by neighboring Derian states, who argued that the Kingdom of Dericania was the sole legitimate expression of Deric sovereign legitimacy within the Holy Levantine Empire.