Talk:Holy Levantine Empire

notes on "cycles" of empire from discord

1st cycle (1000-1400): Leonine dynasty dies off, Culfra-Gaul is reconquered (Kuhl's origin story), reforms to create the Collegial Electorate work and restabilize Empire Stability wears off as Gauls find their footing, creation of Urcea (1098) helps stabilize 2nd cycle (1400-1700): Protestant reformation, famine, plague, dynastic collapse at top of Empire threaten its existence (The Anarchy) Religious unrest exacerbates many structural problems/various dynastic disputes in Latium Destruction of Protestants leaves a full third (or more?) of principalities without rulers; one religion combined with many longstanding territorial disputes (and creation of more powerful, combined states) helps stabilize 3rd cycle (1700-1850): states created or enlarged during 2nd cycle basically too big to control now; caroline wars and potentially other kuhl issues caroline wars -> nationalism -> greater instability within the empire, the two derics, etc. creation of burg, minor latium princely reforms plus major imperial reforms help stabilize

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4th cycle (1850-1935): nationalism combined with socialism and other disruptive ideologies princes refuse further reforms internally empire decides to hand the reins over to urcea -> attempted reforms to end the "cycle" and give greater derian unity denied empire disintegrates

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in each the empire basically looked radically different at the end of the cycle than it did at the beginning, but it survived

History

The First HLE 850s-917

The city of Urceopolis was established ca. 850 BC by the Latinic peoples who also established cities in southern Kistan and Heku. The king of Urceopolis, seeing the danger of the Helvianirian Viking Raids in the north united the tribes in modern day Kistan, Kuhlfros and Urcea under the banner of the Holy Levantine Empire, with him as emperor. Upon his death the Empire immediately crumbled and were divided by his sons into West Levantia (Kistan), East Levantia (Kuhlfros + Latium if he wants?), and South Levantia (Urcea). empire dissolves in 917 AD those borders are approximate. not the borders of the current states, just an idea anywho the King of East Levantia invades the Kingdom of South Levantia and is subsequently crowned by Pope as Emperor no that's probably in the 960s or 970s

The Second HLE ca960s to July 2027

the Kingdom of Urcea is formed later, roughly 1100 AD, and granted to the Grand Duke of Urceopolis

and so the Empire was formed and exists to this day obviously undergoing various legal changes

more modern stuff

protestant reformation was pretty decisively crushed ca. 1610 after a 20 year conflict. after that Catholicism was the sole legal faith in the Empire, the protestant electors were killed and their successors had their electoral dignity stripped the church was given widespread authority and worked with secular rulers to enforce that for a long time afterwards, so the Imperial Inquisition was a powerful player in imperial politics from roughly that point to 1815 (Grand Inquisitor of the Holy Empire is still an honorary title given by the Emperor to elderly clerics)

there was no real humanist or enlightenment periods, or i guess those people were banished along with the protestants or sent to periphery parts of the empire Kuhl has his heart set on having been home to a Scottish Enlightenment, but we can adjust it so it wasn't the agnostic, materialist Enlightenment we know IRL. But at the same time gave us modern economics and such. Enlightenment was 80% terrible and 20% the Continental Congress [hard to convince Catholics that the enlightenment sucked and the school system is biased to reinforce the degenerate revolutionary sentiment that has gripped the west with the reformation that exploded with the enlightenment and continued naturally thru the french and socialist revolts]

obviously some states adopted democratic structures within the empire and there's market economics

at one point the Order of the Fiann was an elite corps of soldiers, crusading order, etc. probably just an honorary order nowadays i would imagine after their conquest at the hands of the latinic people (in the westerly portions of their lands anyway) the gaels kind of regrouped and after a couple centuries of fighting with the latinics adapted

Hellenic Crusades

In the 1100s the Hellenic Crusades, the Catholics launch a crusade against the either heretical or Pagan Greeks in modern day Kommenori (Slakonian too maybe).

Kommenori/ The Dacian Order is established by the HLE during so are a bunch of coastal trading towns that remain under the control of the HLE for longer than Kommenori itself and they establish Opsikion and the Dacian Order State in their place

The Third HLE July 2027 to Present

Following the critical decline in health of Pope Pius XIII and the announcement of King Riordan VIII that Urcea would enter into a period of isolation, both leaders met with Princ-Elector Kliebold IV of Burgundie and appointed him Lieutenant Imperial of the Holy Levantine Empire. Kliebold accepted the appointment and dissolved the Second Empire, electing to start the new century (albeit a bit late) off with a new HLE. He has remained tight lipped about the new empire, but has been meeting continuously with experts to rebrand the fractured behemoth.

Due to almost immediate violent outbursts in Latium, the capital of the HLE was moved from Corcra moved to Glenmoor. Burgundian construction firms worked with a variety of subcontractors from across Levantia to raze the old mining town and create a new Imperial city to be the seat of government. In the interim, the Imperial Staff were housed in Könighausen, the capital of Burgundie.

Latium Crisis

The peaceful transfer of Imperial regency from Urcea to Burgundie lasted only a matter of weeks before a junta of the Electors of Allaria and Lucarnia and the Governor-General of Diorysia, territories in the Confederacy of Latin States, began a violent campaign to restore Latinic supremacy to the area. Taking his charge to heart, Lieutenant Imperial Kliebold IV, tried to restore law and order to the region. His efforts only compounded the violence and an insurgency erupted. Originally coming to the defense of Aëscárácta, the Burgundians soon found themselves without allies as Aëscárácta turned against the "foreign Burgundian invaders". To turn the tide in their favor, Kliebold IV brought in the Burgundisch Fremdenlegion. This was a huge upset to the nations of the Empire because the Legion was largely made up of Protestants, whose ancestors were expelled during the Great Confessional War of 1548-1575. Soon though, in the form of the Imperial Volunteer Legion, the tide of the war turned in the Continuity Coalitions favor. On Nov, 1 2027 the Treaty of Sedetauri was signed and the war ended. From the ashes a new kingdom was created, Latinia, ruled by the Prince-Elector of Caesarea.

Political Divisions

The Holy Levantine Empire is divided into three historic kingdoms: Culfra, Latium and Urcea. However, the basic unit of administration in the empire are the electorates.

There are thirty electors in the Collegial Electorate, half of which are held by some of the Prince-Bishops and Prince-Archbishops of the Empire. Some of the secular electors, over the course of history, have been replaced with Democratic regimes; the Pragmatic Sanction of 1896 allowed for elected rulers of the states of the Empire to assume the Electoral title if they are so entitled. An additional Pragmatic Sanction (in 1701) allowed for Orthodox and any otherwise recognized Apostolic Christian Churches to hold electorates). Meetings are traditionally held upon the death of the previous Emperor in the Imperial City of Corcra, and the elected Mayor of that city is traditionally the non-voting presiding officer of the College. Following the Pragmatic Sanction of 1701 mentioned above, both men and women can serve as members of the Collegial Electorate. The members of the Collegial Electorate are:

Prince-Electors of the Kingdom of Urcea (1)

• Duke of Canaery (held by the Apostolic King of Urcea)

Prince-Electors of the Kingdom of Culfra (7)

• Prince of Adenborough (held by the President of Kuhlfros)
• Prince of Burgundie (held by the Prince of Burgundie)
• Duke of Glenmoor (held by the Burgundian Duke of Glenmoor)
• Duke of Roln (held by the Burgundian Duke of Roln)
• Margrave of Westmarch (held by the Burgundian Margrave of Westmarch)
• Duke of Solibris (held by the Burgundian Duke of Solibris)
• Duke of Collendum (held by the Burgundian Duke of Collendum)

Prince Electors of the Kingdom of Latium (7)

• Margrave of Eastmarch (held by the Latinian Margrave of Eastmarch)
• Landgrave of Lucarnia (held by the Landgrave of Lucarnia, at the discretion of the Lieutenant Imperial)
• Landgrave of Vistegatrix (held by the Latinian Landgrave of Vistegatrix)
• Duke of Caesarea (held by the King of Latinia)
• Duke of Hollona (held by the Duke of Hollona, at the discretion of the Lieutenant Imperial)
• Duke of Allaria (held by the Duke of Allaria, at the discretion of the Lieutenant Imperial)
• Count Palatine of Baylium (held by the Latinian Count Palatine of Baylium)

Bishop-Electors (15)

• Prince-Archbishop of Martinsburg
• Prince-Archbishop of Ardebriga
• Prince-Archbishop of Röthenau
• Prince-Archbishop of Carinella
• Prince-Bishop of Cantadunum
• Prince-Bishop of Kronensburg
• Prince-Bishop of Præconditum
• Prince-Bishop of Ehrenfell
• Archbishop of Patronum
• Archbishop of Portstark
• Archbishop of Ramsaburg
• Archbishop of Kilnaig
• Bishop of Glendaire
• Bishop of Cashel
• Bishop of Campubeg

Political Structure

the electorate just to elect emperors electors spiritual (15) the diet I figure there's a few levantine political parties in urcea, in the diet, and presumably with national presences as well 200 members, 50 bishops, and then 50 elected from each kingdom 25 electors, 50 lords spiritual: prince-bishops and regular bishops all the electors spiritual (15) plus another 35 the 15 electors-spiritual are automatically also invested as members of the diet so Urcea, is the diet like the IRL European Union does it pass binding laws? @Urcea yes and no the ability of the emperor to inforce imperial regulations like that is very limited the only thing he can really do is remove people from the common market for not complying but i would imagine most people comply as to stay in Burgundie|TNTC right but what does compliance mean does the diet regulate the common market? @Urcea yea well to the extent a legislature can Burgundie|TNTC what else does it do? @Urcea so they pass authorizing legislation for various Imperial Commissions and tweak the law Burgundie|TNTC ok is that it? @Urcea pass laws regarding the constitution of the empire @Heku urc @Urcea pass different kind of resolutions asking the emperor to adopt said statement as foreign policy of the empire etc what up heku @Heku qsi into tentative urcean business Burgundie|TNTC which are seen as basic standards for local consitutions to build off of, or does it more specifically implicate the members states? @Urcea no @Heku yes @Urcea what was that question in relation to QSI is banned from operating in the urcean state Jakee btfo @Urcea fuck off corporatist scum @Heku shiiiit → TheSovietyeto has joined Burgundie|TNTC @Urcea pass laws regarding the constitution of the empire thats what I was referring to @Urcea so how the diet works, what it does, the emperor and his powers, the electorate things like this Burgundie|TNTC ok @Urcea add member states (doesnt happen ever), censure states things like this the levantine union party wants the diet to pass and create things like an imperial welfare state so that's within the diet's power to do